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lovis
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What is a screener .......

CAM - A cam is usually a handheld camera snuck into a full theater. The base is shaky, the audio is poor, you can hear people laughing and talking. A cam is distinguishable by usually having a combination of all three or more of these flaws. Another common cam flaw is that the screen is at an awkward angle, and a lot of various parts of the screen cut off. Sometimes black bars will be added to make cams look like telesyncs or screeners, or to make them appear widescreen. In most circumstances, it actually cuts off more of the movie by doing so. Most sites nuke (see "Other Terms" for Nuked) cams for their general poor quality.
Workprint - An early release of a movie. These are usually stolen or leaked copies of movies that have made their way onto VCD from VHS or a variety of other sources. These will usually contain running time codes as well as other identifying marks used in movie production, although in some cases these are not there. These also might not be the final copy of the movie, resulting in some scenes not there, and some scenes added. The quality on these can vary from bad to very good depending on the quality of the source material used to encode the VCD. Audio tends to be better then the video, for the video sometimes isn’t complete. Note: This category is also used for very bad screeners or copies of movies that just didn't fit into any of the other categories due to defects or problems with the quality of the VCD's audio/video image.

Telesync - A "professional" Cam. A steady base such as a tripod is used. it is done with a 1-3' tripod that they take with a camera in a bag (backpack), they set up the tripod in the seat with the camera on top, then for safety, some put a hat or coat over the camera (not blocking the lens) to hide it. They usually adjust their camera at this point to get a nice full screen, with about 10-20 percent of the edges cut off, which is usually not that noticeable except when beginning credits are cut off. Sometimes a widescreen telesync comes along, but has crooked edges. To fix this, sometimes straight borders are added. The theater is empty or very close to empty, and the audio and video are up to par. The audio is SOMETIMES ripped with the movie, from either just the camera being there (bad audio, gets complaints) or from the handicap headphone audio jacks. Sometimes, after the movie is ripped, or as it is ripping, a device such as an electronic recorder, will be attached to the handicap headphone jacks and recorded as the camera is set up at a more proper angle (the headphone jacks are usually on the wall, which would make it difficult to get a good angle). If the audio is ripped separately, it is added in sync with the video once on the computer. The end result, a descent to good picture with good audio, very good (if ripped properly, other times, it can be hollow). Although, you can usually detect some flaw with a TS. You may see a random head pop up, the screen edges are noticeable, or the audio isn't always crystal clear. While not perfect, the quality in general of a telesync ranges from good to very good and is usually the first type of VCD made of a new movie.

Telecine - A great rip of a movie. Done a number of ways, all from taking directly from the reel. Ripped in either widescreen (letterbox) or in full-screen (pan and scan) with excellent audio and video. The most common way is to get a device that you attach to the reel that generates a VHS tape of the reel. (called a telecine machine, but there are other machines that generate a digital output of both audio and video that are then put into a laptop or VCR and made into a VCD). The direct-from-reel process makes a brilliant rip. Telecine movies are mostly released as screeners, but the quality is usually a lot better then the common screener. The color is more vivid and audio should be (like most screeners) stereo surround. Good telecines (as telecines in general) are hard to find, but are becoming more common.

Screeners - These are the top quality VCDs (except in the release of a good telecine, which is released as a screener anyway). They can be in either widescreen (letterbox) or in full-screen (pan and scan) with excellent audio and video, as a telecine. Unlike a teleicne, one that is full screen will NOT have the edges cut off... it will be, as the movies say, "formatted to fit the screen". These are made from video distributors demo tapes, reviewers copies, insider copies of the film or from any number of sources (Video Stores, Malls, Hotels). Most screeners will contain "1-800-NO-COPIES" or "Property of.." messages somewhere in the film, but it's not a requirement to fit into the screener category. Actually, copyright messages are becoming less popular all the time. These most closely resemble a VHS or LaserDisc copy of the movie. They're easily identifiable by their top quality. Lots of TC, or TeliCine movies are released as Screeners. Movie production studios will often release screeners for promotional purposes. These promotional screeners will be distributed to different organizations to hype up the film. They are also sometimes sent to video stores a few months before the movie releases on video to hype up the video. Hotels frequently receive screeners to sell the movie to their customer's rooms directly. Some people leak screeners to release groups.

DVD Rip - Using DVD-ROMS, and ripping software, takes the best quality movie you can get. Widescreen, awesome. Best video, usually awesome audio, sometimes not so good audio (it is lower) but "re-doing" the audio by re-encoding with TMPG Encoder with the Audio Effect filter on. The audio is great, stereo, but just the volume is a problem, which, in the way that I mentioned, and be fixed. The only disadvantage is that you have to wait for the movie to come out on video\DVD (or a month away, but very close to its official video release) so you can't get theater movies. For some people in other countries, however, the movie does not come out in the theater for them until over here it is already out on DVD, so they can get DVD rips of theater movies.
Original VCD rip – These rips are equal to DVD rips, sometimes better actually. Obviously, a DVD will be better then an original DVD, but when “ripping” a DVD, if the encoding is not done properly, or even good, but not GREAT, the quality of an original VCD rip passes it up. An original silver VCD is taken, and just made into a .bin and .cue directly, with virtually no loss in quality. Although these are usually the most crisp looking releases on side DVD rips, they are not that common, and as DVD rips, you have to wait until the movie is available on video, or close to the release date.

TvRip – These are rips of television shows. Taken from a video-in card, converted to VCD, very simple. SHOULD be done with professional video capturing equipment. Usually, quality is just a little less then what you would see if you watched it on the television as it was being played. Music video rips are usually TVRips.

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Post 11-04-2002 
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What a great post m8 Smile, as you know I am not into films much, but that is a great insight into what go's on to makeing a release.

Cant see me going into a Virgin Cinema with a tripod and vhs camera in a bag and then setting it all up, but some peeps have more front then me.......good luck to them as they are the ones that take all the risks so that we can get the early releases Smile

Keep up the good work m8 Smile

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great

i posted a new thread asking everything youve just superbly explained, to my embarisment! it was great, thanks a lot
made things easier to understand. Smile

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quote:
Telecine movies are mostly released as screeners, but the quality is usually a lot better then the common screener


Almost correct Smile

However this is the 1st step to making a DVD! To transfer Film to digital they must Telecine it 1st to a DLT {digital Linear tape}. this is done everyday.

For bootleggers this would be one of the places in the chain to get a great 1st gen copy.

One last thing to add to this. Is you can purchase Video CD recorders that can make copies in VCD {Mpeg1} or SVCD {Mpeg2}. Using any video source Ced/ Vhs or Beta / VCDs / Laserdisc / or DVDs and can make copies in real time. I put this just a tad below a DVD rip when talking about VCDs and above when you switch to SVCD.

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Maybe worth pointing out that a DVD Screener gives better quality ususally than a TC/ScR normal but contains the Anti-piracy crap that comes with screeners. They are mostly upto DVD rip quality but given an option a predvd or dvd rip would be better to avoid scrolly, annoying crap Smile

Edit : Digi-TV Rips are normally done to the SVCD format and give a better result that standard analogue TV reception (if they are done properly) much closer to the digital TV standard.

Edit Again : took me a minute to work out why the word an-alogue got censored then. Think you need to work on your filters else people from Scu-nthorpe will be complaining

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seems the "Nuke" is a question that may need some answering?


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so what would you say nuke means when talking about a cam bootleg.

"Nuke being a copy with a piece missing...

Audio or video or both..."

if you are reading this. thank-you to the source of this answer.




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My understanding is that a release is Nuked if the nfo file gives false info or it's just a crappy recode of another groups release.

Recoding of releases seems to be a pre-occupation of some of the groups around at the moment and most of them are a complete waste of time.

Just to add to this debate what I want to know is who decides if a release is going to be labled as Nuked?





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to answer your question frontrow, when the movies are first relased on the group affil sites, they are checked by someone that is a designated nuker(reason for nuking a release can be as u pointed out, missings rar'r, crappy audio or video, just a re-labeling of a different groups previous release, etc...)!

the nuker then labels the release as nuked on nforce/isonews or VCD_quality etc...

then the word spreads.... i have on several occasions seen releases that have been labeld as nuked, that there was nothing really wrong with, at least no quality wise, they might have been released earlier as a different label though...

just my 2 pennies worth...


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This sticky has just answered all the questions I had about different terms used to describe films, making it a lot easier for me to choose which films I want to get.

Thanks

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11/20/02
Remember another late add!

"Pilots" isn't mentioned much but they are there. These critters can be screeners or the very 1st episode of a series. They can be a 1 time made for TV movie like "The Fantastic Four" Live not animated that was so bad it would have never made it to TV. Others did so well they continued the series after them. Like Bruce Lee in Longstreet.
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as a newbie to all this I have found the above posts really interesting,
a BIG thanks to all... Cheers and keep it up !!!

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Well put M8 I had wondered what it all was
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great post mate but what are CAT A and B and centropy dvd's ? Also I borrowed some dvd films from a friend. They played fine until you get nearer to the end of the movie where they start to jump and become unwatchable. is this to do with the burn speed or media used etc ??

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Welcome "Gee_UK"

Catagory A DVDs are DVDs from legal DVDs DVD>DVD

Cat B is any other source on DVD VHS/VCD-SVCD/LaserDisc>DVD

Centropy is a release group considerd to making the best current movies. Normally released thru IRC. This is done in SVCD pal. Many take and make copies into what ever format and then send it up the chain to there favorite peer 2 peer group.

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thanks for that Laughing
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thanks great post!!!!!!
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